Crown Heights is America’s most infamous Black-Orthodox Jewish conflict zone. Mark and Veralyn explore the intersections of these identities with Chava Shervington, a Black orthodox woman who spent 5 years in Crown Heights, but now lives in California. Joining us remotely, Chava reflects on dueling narratives of Black anti-semitism and Jewish racism. Segment One: We ride along Chava’s personal journey and public life while gaining insight into Jewish participation in whiteness. Segment Two: We discuss the “othering” of each other’s communities by Blacks and Jews and consider their common interests. Segment Three: "Tell 'Em Why You Mad" Intro and Outro theme Music: “City Survival” by MC K-Swift featuring TreZure Empire. Episode Music: Holy Roller (instrumental) by YACHT.